Social Trading – Because it Sells!!

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Whether companies like it or not, SOCIAL is a huge part of business in this day and age. Regardless of whether any executive thinks Facebook or Twitter is a “dumb idea,” the fact of the matter is that the way we communicate with each other constantly changes. With Web 1.0, email was the big innovation, but now, Web 2.0 had les to an interactive internet. Therefore, in 2012, the question is no longer whether “you will have a social presence?”, but “what are you doing with social?” As wine seller and Web 2.0 expert, Gary Vaynerchuck likes to say, “Why do I love Social Media? Because it sells s##t!!”

Applying that idea to forex, social trading has become one of the new growth engines for converting new and retaining old clients. Very simply, what social trading does is allow customers to connect with other traders and follow their trades. Followers can see bios, descriptions of strategies, and most importantly historical returns and make their decisions of who to copy. On a business level, the social element works for two reasons. First, new traders who don’t want to trade for themselves can be involved with the forex market by copying others. Secondly, by establishing connections with traders and learning more about them, there is a trust factor that can develop between customers.

When it comes to social trading, eToro is the undisputed leader and the company that basically everyone is trying to imitate. However, although they have a large lead on their competition, there has been a rush among copycat companies to create their own social trading platforms. The new offerings are split between broker neutral and proprietary platforms. With a broker neutral offering, clients from different brokers use the social platform. This leads to cross broker followings. On the other hand, with proprietary systems, only customers of that broker can participate as “gurus” or followers. For a large broker with tens of thousands of active traders, finding traders to follow on a proprietary system isn’t a problem. However, for smaller brokers, connecting with a broker neutral platform is important, as it allows clients a greater selection of traders to follow.

In our 2nd quarter report, Forex Magnates spoke to a number of brokers and social trading providers to learn more about their products. In this post we hear from eToro’s CO-CEO Yoni Assia about the CopyTrader platform. Also, we will take a look at Oanda’s new proprietary platform fxUnity, and Tradeo, a broker neutral social trader.

In response to why eToro launched the copy trade concept, Assia explains “eToro’s vision is to bring online trading and investing to the masses, and it is our mission to continuously innovate and disrupt the financial industry. Our eToro OpenBook and WebTrader are designed to improved and simplify the online trading experience for users of all levels and walks of life. Although many of our users are knowledgeable when it comes to trading, we wanted to create a product that would help investors on the eToro social investment network achieve maximum profit results. Copy trader is based on tapping into the wisdom of the crowds to harness the perceived performance of the best traders in the network. CopyTrader flattens the markets for every person in the network and users benefit from the experience of Gurus and top traders.”

Like eToro’s CopyTrader, which connects traders within the broker’s network of traders, Oanda applied a similar approach in creating their proprietary fxUnity social trading platform. With their massive client base, they were able to successfully launch fxUnity earlier this year. In an interview with Alex Case, Product Manager at fxUnity, he focused on the simplicity of the platform and its expected appeal to new users. Case added that beyond just incorporating the social and copy elements to the fxUnity platform, they also added features that help new traders understand and learn about the markets. Case explained “we’re more than just a social networking platform. We want to provide intuitive tools for those beginners out there, not just a way of copying the mavens. We have developed unique instruments and features that are designed to provide a more intuitive way to learn about and act on currency movements. On fxUnity, users can trade currencies and while simultaneously weighing the market sentiment and connect and follow other traders.”

On the other side of the spectrum is Tradeo. The social platform launched earlier this year and did an update this August to improve the features of its CloudTrader. As mentioned above, Tradeo is built on the broker neutral model and the platform can be connected to, by any customer currently using MT4. This allows for traders from different brokers to connect. In answering how Tradeo adds value to first time traders as well as more experienced traders, CEO Jonathan Adest explains “When you’re new to the market, you need help, information and guidance. Up until now, trading has been lonely; users sifting through lots of information trying to make smart decisions. Tradeo isn’t here to replace trading platforms or brokers. We’re a Social layer on top of the existing market model offering users a lot of information that didn’t exist before”.

In an update to the Q2 report, we connected with Adest about Tradeo’s latest addition, Social Market Charts. The product shows users in a simple visual way the momentum building up in the market, and what are their friends trading. About the new feature, Adest added “seeing what others are doing isn’t enough, users have come to expect engagement between each other, so we offer chats, groups and messages as well. Being Broker independent allows us to offer features users are after, not brokers. In the long run – this is our main strategy; building an expectational experience and network for traders. This approach, combined with a free offering for all traders across different platform is gaining a lot of traction. We’re seeing an exponential growth in our user base in the past few weeks, with many new users who are asking us to recommend them brokers who share our vision of the Forex market”.

This post contained segments of articles written about Social Trading in Forex Magnates Q2 Industry Report

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  1. Andy said:

    Sites like myFxBook and similar can easily be gamed by ‘gurus’ – in various ways. I think the whole concept is inherently flawed (not only because trading is antisocial in nature) – but that never stopped anything from being a success in finance, let alone retail-trading.

    Just look at all the stuff collective2 pulled off. The whole firm is a conflict of interest, if there ever was one. In my opinion your piece does a good job of decribing the status quo from an industry-POV, but falls short in shedding some light on the less rosy aspects of social trading.

    August 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
  2. Michael Greenberg said:

    why don’t you pick up the glove and draft Part II?

    August 30th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
  3. Andy said:

    MG: yes, sorry about that. Lack of incentive/time, i suppose.

    August 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
  4. Andy said:

    By the way, this seems news-worthy:

    http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=5971964#post5971964

    I believe ‘FCM-Reform’ is a fxcm-handle on that forum.

    August 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
  5. Jon said:

    Andy, any statistics can technically be gamed in terms of how it is presented to its audience. But these tools are still a transparent way for the user to see how the system trades. It is up to the traders to make up their own minds on whether or not the system is worth taking a risk on.

    August 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
  6. Andy said:

    Jon: i am talking about things like, for example, C2 “correcting” trading history/equitycurves after fact to make certain strategies look better, and similar stuff. Since they earn fees on a per transaction basis, there is an incentive to do so. Plenty of similar conflicts of interest. There is a reason why in the professional OPM business portfolio-management, reporting and auditing are strictly seperated. If something is easy to abuse and there is a buck to be made, you can be certain it will be done.

    Another thing is the survivalist bias of strategies, even from the same manager. In the pro world its less of a factor because of AUM minimums to make a fund structure viable. On C2 i can post 30 demoaccounts at no cost, one of the strategies will probably do good for a while, if i don’t outright fake it. Is there real edge in the strategy? Probably not.

    Yet another thing are strategies with front-loaded returns but high tail-risk. Typically, such strategies have small steady returns which look good on paper, but they do not provide any value for an investor, because these many small positive returns come at the risk of the inevitable blow-up. Such strategies are easily desiged, it doesnt take much skill. Granted, this also happens in the pro business. Niederhoffer blew up 2 funds in a row with this – he got rich on fees, the investors took the losses. But you can tell its a common thing on these social sites by just looking at the equity curves.

    I could go on and on, In the end, fools and their money will always be parted. But just think, if managing OPM in the professional world is by and large a semi-crooked business already, how bad it must be in this sector.

    August 31st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
  7. Jon said:

    Andy: good points. Because we live in a world of illusions, you have to see the core mechanics of how something works or what it will accomplish to best determine if it will work for you. But many people are lazy in this regard, so instead they search for the ‘holy grail’, hoping to get lucky.

    September 1st, 2012 at 4:38 am
  8. Rob Taylor said:

    I dont agree that trading is antisocial Andy. I do think that you need to take responsibility for your own trades, winners or losers, but lots of traders socialize with other traders on forums, trading rooms and the like. I think the social aspect of trading will only get bigger to be honest, as people search for more ideas and strategies to help them succeed in Forex trading.

    September 1st, 2012 at 10:52 am
  9. Michael Greenberg said:

    agree, however in my opinion the ‘right’ social formula has not been invented yet

    September 1st, 2012 at 10:55 am
  10. Rob Taylor said:

    Hi Michael. I would be interested to find out what the “right” social formula would consist of in your opinion. Its a genuine question as i teach trading, and also run a live trading room, so i do contribute to the social aspect of trading. I would like to hear your ideas. :-)

    September 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
  11. Jeff said:

    Broker neutral platforms are totally the way to go…MT4 is sooo much better than all the broker crap they make.

    You can tell it was made for programming because everything is simple, and works smooth and nice. They mess things up when trying to make them too flashy

    September 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
  12. Michael Greenberg said:

    i think there are many good social formulas out there, i just think the ‘right’ way in monetizing them still isn’t being applied, i believe then only one actually making money in the social space is etoro as it’s a broker with a social aspect. others are tradency and zulutrade – but these are more algo trading platforms than social networks and zulutrade does have a brokerage of its own (which helps). problem with firms like currensee, fxstat, tradeo and others is that the way they try to monetize isn’t really working. currensee even changed its business model however is still not really making any money.

    September 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 am
  13. Jon said:

    Maybe the fact that the social network is separate from the broker gives a greater amount of transparency. It’s great to come here or forexfactory, forextsd, donnaforex, TL, etc and get a more trader-to-trader view of how brokers operate, share trades, etc.

    Like IBFX connect….initially they said that they can accept tracking of any broker’s account. But they changed their bridge to only allow IBFX accounts. Everyone wants to stay to themselves in that regard.; (maybe to avoid being compared to another broker?) This “tradestation” mentality of keeping everything in-house with the social network will not help. 3-6 forums that are [more] broker impartial are much more to offer a trader Metatrader 4/5 actually assisted in the ability to even have opportunity to have social networks. Since the platform is already taken care of, forexfactory…et. al. can focus on delivering other services like an awesome calendar, industry news, indicators, discussion, etc. Gotta bring something to the table.

    September 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 am

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